Download Citation | On Feb 1, 2023, Olivier Champagne and others published Future change in amplitude and timing of high-flow events in a Canadian subarctic watershed | Find, read and cite all the . I took a bowl and ate the lot. To get to the platform you would climb out over the Devil's Elbow, legs dangling in the air, only your grip keeping you from certain death. A planning application for the site was submitted and outline permission was granted in 2015. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. After eating I dashed down to the boat sheds to report for my test. Below are just some of our members who have served at HMS Ganges. The Royal Navy training mast in Shotley Gate, pictured in 1936, was erected in 1907, A photograph of the base taken sometime in the 1950s (left), with recruits on the mast in 1937, with one recruit just about visible near the very top, John Youngman said his training at the site stood him in good stead for the rest of his life, Warning: Third party content may contain adverts, A pupil band from The Royal Hospital School performed at the event, It is expected to take at least a year to restore the mast at the tip of the Shotley peninsula, across the water from Felixstowe and Harwich. Learn how your comment data is processed. Read about our approach to external linking. She had taken on the previous duties from the wooden ship H.M.S. When the Gunnery Instructor was finally satisfied, you put the lot back in your locker as before. HMS Ganges 2 in the harbour put all boys ashore and was then used as Naval Operations Ship, Harwich. CMEM (M) Served from 1972 - 1987 Served in HMS Ganges. Developers Wavensmere Homes and Galliard Homes plan to build almost 300 homes on the site and include a restored mast in the development. Statistics for the 1930s indicate some 200 official canings per year in HMS Ganges alone, an average of four per week. While I probably believed the stories, I was still determined to quality for my chain. I joined Ganges 30th June 1955 also as a boy telegraphist. Joined Ganges Feb '61..went through the same as everyone else. If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Change), You are commenting using your Facebook account. In 1907, its famous 143ft (44m)-high training . Today in Naval History - Naval / Maritime Events in History 13 March 1653 - Death of Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) Simon de Vlieger (c. 1601, Rotterdam - buried 13 March 1653, Weesp) was a Dutch designer, draughtsman, and painter, most famous for. At Gagnes they spent 12 months training, and they learned everything you need to do to run a ship. Please Login or Register. The water was freezing cold, we never had hot water. Looking pretty in candy-striped pyjama bottoms and naked chests, we were ordered across the parade ground, through the snow and ice, to the 'heads', that grown-up potty land, which had neither doors nor partitions around the bowls for privacy, to partake in our morning ablutions, a most embarrassing experience. Captain Tremlett, the Senior Officer of training ships, was ordered to investigate the situation and reported that Commander Stevens 'had given punishments . I wondered, sewing, perhaps! Each time I let it go off it popped, falling to the deck with a clatter. A Proceeds of Crime Act hearing is due to take place at Portsmouth Crown Court on 23 January. . St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. Each evening after we had cleaned the mess, we took everything out of the locker rolled each item into a nine-inch sausage, tied white tape around both ends, and then placed every item on a blanket. The overall height is 143 feet 10 inches, with the button being 11 inches diameter and 3 inches thick. We can reunite you with your friends who served at HMS Ganges and we have a wealth of information on different units, bases and ships in the site. GANGES was the shore training establishment for boy entrants into the Royal Navy from 1905 until 1976. Ganges training establishment. We are the largest and fastest growing community of UK forces veterans on the web with over 500,000 members! If you cracked on and didn't buckle you were okay, but I wouldn't want to do it again. Well this seems a good time to see if this site works properly. The latest development means that construction work could start immediately, however, due to the coronavirus outbreak, progress has been delayed. Maurice was nothing to do with HMS Ganges, in fact he had been a crew member of HMS Hambledon. David Colwill. These were all regular happenings at Ganges. If not, you would do it repeatedly, until you dropped dead if necessary. . Graduating from Ganges held the promise of better times ahead, we would be real sailors, excited at the prospect of visiting far off and exotic lands. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. I had thought that our group were the only sailors, if we dared call ourselves that, in this annexe, but I was soon to discover there was a continuous rotation of faces, each at various stages of initiation, a small factory taking in baby civilians at one end and throwing out almost sailors into the real HMS Ganges at the other. HMS Ganges in Shotley Gate, Suffolk, was a land-based training centre for recruits between 1905 and 1976. It was at Shotley Point that the wooden ship HMS Ganges was berthed from 1899, and used as a cadet training ship for the Royal Navy. The test consisted of two lengths of the pool while wearing a boiler suit, then floating for five minutes. If you are dissatisfied with the response provided you can Frederick "Ben" Rodgers author of "Lily & Me", "The Royal Navy & Me" and collector of Rover automobiles, Review from Newfoundland CraigChurchill. HMS Ganges Museum is dedicated to the 160,000 boys who went through the gates as boys and marched out as men, from its inception as a Royal Navy Training Establishment in 1905 to its closure in 1976. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. His early life was hard by any standards. HP10 9TY. Discussions between developers and Babergh District Council planning officers have been concluded five years after plans for the huge project were given outline planning permission in December 2015. Back in the mess, this safe haven shielding us from those torturous sounds, the junior instructors' suspiciously cheerful faces greeted us. No way would the Royal Navy let the opportunity to instill fear into a young boy pass them by, So began another nine months of laughter and tears, disaster and joy. The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. contact the editor here. It had to be a joke! HMS Ganges organisation of meals - covering the galley in the Long Covered Way/messdeck dining, and the introduction of the CMG block /communal dining - dated 1952. c. Punishment of Juniors (U) at HMS Ganges dated 1970. d. Restrictions on the caning of boys as a punishment dated 1929-1931. HMS Ganges (1821) This page summarises records created by this Organisation The summary includes a brief description of the collection (s) (usually including the covering dates of the. The greatest fear was of messing up, this meant the whole class was punished. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. Write to Dave Kindred, Kindred Spirits, Evening Star, 30 Lower Brook Street, Ipswich IP4 1AN. She was based alternately in Falmouth, Harwich (from 1899) and Shotley (from 1905). The HMS Ganges site was initially opened in 1904 acted as a boys training facility for the Royal Navy. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). CEM1 Served from 1972 - 1978 Served in HMS Ganges. Our kit was stowed in small silver lockers that we polished daily, but not like any normal person would stow their clothes. The boy was made lower his trousers, but kept is underpants on, he was made to bend over a chair. 1914. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. It was as we crossed the parade ground the whole bunch of us suddenly froze and spun to face a huge aircraft-hanger-of-a-building running along its length. . He was the officer that tested us when we endeavoured to qualify with a bosuns pipe. Engineer commander had been on Amethyst up the Yangtse and was quite sympathetic when he was OOD. But this was Ganges, we never got away with anything. CLICK ABOVE TO OPEN GALLERY. While I was going through the various calls I felt his hand slipping up the back of my shorts. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Read about our approach to external linking. It had been HO (Hostilities-only) traing during the war. Richard Dunn. HMS GANGES MUSEUM. We had no one to confide in, our instructors would more than likely told us not to tell tales. Welcome to Forces Reunited the place where you can find information and friends from HMS Ganges. "We're hoping that we can get some of the money back from him, but we don't know if that's going to be possible.". NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE, HE'S NOT HERE TODAYTHE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAYFIFTEEN YEARS OF LEARNING, HE'LL NOT GO DOWN THE MINESO WE TOOK HIM NEAR TO IPSWICH TOWNFAR FROM THE SEAMS OF THE TYNEIN A PLACE THEY STILL CALL 'GANGES' WITH TWO THOUSAND OTHER BOYSHE LEARNED TO SPLICE AND SAIL A BOATTALL ORDERS WERE HIS TOYSTHE 'BULLY BOYS' CAME NIGHTLY, DID THINGS A BOY COUNDN'T TELLBUT THEY MADE HIM WRITE IN HIS LETTERS HOME MAMMA YOU'R BOY'S DOIN WELLTHEN NEWS CAME OF SOME FIGHTING IN A FAR OFF DISTANT LANDWE NEED THOSE BOYS THUS SPAKE FOUR RINGSIN OUR BIG SHIPS THEY CAN RIDEIT'S WRITTEN ON HIS PAPERS, TWAS NOT THE DEED OF A MAN BUT A WAVE THAT TOOK MY GEORDIE BOYFIVE MILES OFF PLYMOUTH SOUNDSO NO FLOWERS FOR GEORDIE HE'S NOT HERE TODAY THE SEA HAS CLAIMED MY GEORDIE BOYPLEASE NO FLOWERS TODAY. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. Royal Navy 238217 Boy 2nd Class HMS Ganges II. It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please Ganges Museum is located at Shotley Gate near Ipswich, in what was the Enright Block, on the foreshore of the former H.M.S. Ganges Tales of the T.R.O.G.s Paperback - 22 Nov. 1995 by John Douglas (Author), John Wheatley (Illustrator) 6 ratings Paperback 12.00 8 Used from 8.90 H.M.S. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. Roe told me "I don't like you." St George IOM Boys training 3/5/45 Christmas leave 45 took all kit and returned to Ipswich station, then by the ubiquitous 3 ton Bedford to Shotley where we reopened HMS Ganges as a boys establishment. Other things we had to do included, clean a toilet with a toothbrush, polish a hundred square feet of block-wood flooring with a boot brush every night before going to bed, paint the inside of a dustbin white before putting your rubbish into it. Ronald Carr. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. Contents 1 Foundation and early history 1.1 Allegations of abuse 2 Ganges at Harwich 3 Ganges at Shotley 3.1 1906 changes 3.2 Later developments 3.3 First World War 3.4 Post war developments 3.5 Ganges in the Second World War 3.6 Postwar and closure 4 References 5 External links It is important that we continue to promote these adverts as our local businesses need as much support as possible during these challenging times. ", HMS Ganges as a warship (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). they said. They were both Ordinary Seamen, one aged 17 and the other aged 18. Mast erected using the foremast of HMS Cordelia, which was broken up 1904. The inquiry was carried out by Hampshire Police after debit card transactions of 4,200 and cash machine withdrawals totalling 74,000 were made from the association's bank accounts between August 2010 and June 2012. Independent Babergh District councillor for Ganges, Derek Davis. Some boys were home sick, some just tried to stay out of trouble, one or two ran away. The showers at Ganges were just one bare room with several shower heads, no privacy. The master at arms held a long thin bamboo cane, the instrument of the punishment. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS (Image: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS). We were ushered in as a group of naked boys and told to wash thoroughly. First Royal Navy ship to visit Eire, post independence? I shuddered to the bone, as I'm sure did other boys. Dave Walton RN retired. HP10 9TY. RM B54PCM - Twiggy the baby elephant was half an hour late for her appointment to 'tow of the premises', the 47 year old Captain Derek Napper Napper, skipper of HMS Ganges the naval training school at Shotley Suffolk, and found she had been replaced by a couple of horses. Several tales about bullying and the harsh regime generally, not so much about the famous and frequent official canings. Rumour had it many years ago a boy did fall, bouncing off the safety net and through the Post Office roof. Reviewed in the United Kingdom on 16 June 2021 . A Gannett Company. One lad, a Geordie, was drafted early to a Destroyer bound for the Mediterraniann sailed from Plymouth He was washed overboard on his first few hours at sea..His parents never knew of the misery he suffered at Ganges. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. later times). During Ganges's time in Cornwall allegations of harsh and brutal treatment were reported to the Admiralty.One wardroom steward shot himself over the matter, and the reports aroused indignation in the local community. Read about our approach to external linking. Maybe we were unlucky with Instructors as one was Court Marshalled, discharged and sent to prison for so called abuse. Review of a book of anecdotes about legendary UK boys' naval establishment HMS Ganges, which at any one time housed as many as 2,000 trainee sailors in their middle teens. Crowds of boys from HMS Ganges would visit Ipswich when they were given a day off from the harsh naval discipline at Shotley. Martin Foster, 54, of Haig Road, Uxbridge, had already admitted two charges of fraud by abuse of position. These adverts enable local businesses to get in front of their target audience the local community. I knew only when it was over would I then be able to call myself a true Ganges Boy and, some years later, a real sailor. Many spars are believed to have come from this ship too. H.M.S. ", The sailors in training doing exercises outside the gym (Image: HMS Ganges Museum). You are using an out of date browser. 10/01/36- 08/02/36 HMS Pembroke. At about 60 feet was the Devil's Elbow, the most dangerous and frightening part. This portion was taken from the foremast of the corvette Cordelia which was paid off . According to the HMS Ganges Museum, her timbers were used to make objects including a grand staircase on an estate, and a cocktail bar in a small hotel, both in Devon. HMS Ganges was the name given to several Royal Navy ships since from 1779, but in 1905 it was chosen as title for a new training base at Shotley Gate, near Ipswich where about 500 boy recruits. Mr Davis added: They have had the last conditions, including the fire hydrants agreed. May 46 to HMS Wakeful, Training Flotilla for a twelve-week tour from . CHARGE CHIEF PETTY OFFICER (WEA) Served from 1974 - 1997 Served in HMS Ganges. It was easy to spot those who had been here the longest. Mr Youngman, who joined the navy aged 15 in 1965, said he had previously climbed up to the top of the mast but "couldn't wait to get back down". Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. There was also a degree of sexual abuse going on at Ganges, but we boys were too scared to ever complain or report such incidents. "Most of what was on the site went to the naval museum in Portsmouth, but we have the honours board and figurehead from the original ship. Within ten minutes, a second pair of gates appeared, the gates of the real HMS Ganges. HMS Ganges moved moorings from Harwich to Shotley. There was a way to bypass it for cowards like me, but God help you if you tried using it. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. CPO (OPS) (EW) Served from 1966 - 1991 Served in HMS Ganges. the reason i remember the date is that it was my 15th birthday, We got shipped out to Suez in October 1956 cutting short our training by a couple of months. http://www.28dayslater.co.uk/hms-ganges-swimming-pool-shotley-may-2015.t96792, Anniversary Toast - HMS RALEIGH 25th Oct 2009, Telegraph: "Captain Peter Grindal Obituary", Future Ford vehicles could repossess themselves, 10 myths told by Covid 'experts' now debunked. The facility remained there until its closure in June 1976, After sewing on a tag and sporting a proud smile as I offered it up for inspection to that gorilla-of-gunner, I was sent scurrying away, ears ringing from slaps and vehement words, asking myself, 'How the hell did I mange to sew the tag on upside-down?'. HMS GANGES 6th May 2009 - YouTube. From it came bloodcurdling cries of command, so frightening that I most surely would have obeyed them myself, if had I understood what they meant. Yes indeed, they were the best of times and the worst of times. As a subscriber, you are shown 80% less display advertising when reading our articles. However lessons, culminating in a test, were much more difficult. A Gannett Company. The noise was excruciating. Click here to remove banner ads from this forum. First time ever looking at any RN sights. LRO (G) Served from 1975 - 1998 Served in HMS Ganges. HMS Ganges is situated on the Shotley Peninsula in Suffolk. He was subsequently dismissed from the service and returned to civilian life. 11.00 to 17.00 Saturdays, Sundays and Bank Holidays between Easter and the end of October. Sailors' uniforms were a familiar sight in our area until HMS Ganges closed in June 1976. Boys normally signed up to a contract of 12 years, which would leave most of them aged in their late 20s after their tours. joined in '63 Dreadnought in the Annexe and Duncan in main camp, Went swimming at Vincent before colling-grad got its pool, and sailing if my memory is not totally shot, I sometimes considered climbing to the top of the mast a tossing myself off. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. I arrived at Ganges in the late afternoon on March 15th 1955, along with roughly a hundred other fifteen year old boys. To get out of the showers we had to stand before our instructor legs apart arms raised for inspection. Former recruit John Youngman said it would be "nice to see it restored to its former glory". Free (donations towards running costs are welcome) Peter Ohara. This website and associated newspapers adhere to the Independent Press Standards Organisation's It. Saw your message. Newsquest Media Group Ltd, Loudwater Mill, Station Road, High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire. I would imagine it will be a number of years before we see the final product but Ive seen first hand how quickly they can actually make progress once the builders get going. During the third disastrous week, it spent so much time on the deck I thought I might as well leave it there! Sad to see such an establishment close as it was so full of history and meant so much to so many. The rest of the class were not pleased to suffer because of one boys stupidity and sometimes made a cruel point of letting the culprit know. He had the misfortune to be placed under the care of two particularly brutal and drunken instructors whose continual bullying and abuse proved too much for this emerging free spirit, . This site uses cookies. A question of Religion?Maybe MaybeNot???? Didn't like it, there are better ways of teaching than violence, but it hardened me up and made me self disciplined. Unfortunately HMS Ganges is no longer there apart from a few buildings and what is left of the mast. The only thing I can remember of that awesome night, apart from collecting a kit bag and filling it to capacity with kit, was sobbing myself to sleep and that I ate the biggest meal I'd ever eaten in my entire 15 years of life. One not only suffered the punishment such as doubling up and down the steps of laundry hill with a 303 rifle held high. Artist's impression showing the view across a residential street at the redeveloped HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. Such a tragedy that this historical place has been left to rot. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. GANGES; the ship had previously anchored out in the harbour below, at Shotley Gate, on the east coast opposite Harwich. I was so fearful of that oncoming event I was becoming a nervous wreck, each night reading the next day's daily orders, wondering if tomorrow would be the day I crapped my pants in public. First the older of the two, Maurice WRIGHT JX 657902. "Boys came into Ganges at age 15 and went into the navy as men at 16. They say you never forget the place and I agree. She was established as a boys' training establishment in 1865, and was based aboard a number of hulks before moving ashore. From the top of the mast, its a long way to come ! Thus was the nature of Ganges harsh training regime. last entry 16.30 We are also please to welcome visitors at any other time by prior appointment - please telephone 01473 788315 or 01473 788723 to arrange this. Network 157.90../16 Abuse Contact API. contact the editor here. Bob Roberts. It used to be a training camp for the Navy until 1976, and in later years it was a police training school. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. In the first week of January it was snowed even harder and it snowed until March. Roger Jones, chairman at the HMS Ganges Museum said: "HMS Ganges was originally a ship of the wooden wall, launched in 1821. Those ads you do see are predominantly from local businesses promoting local services. The previous evening I'd arrived at HMS Ganges training annexe, with an assortment of other would-be-sailors, and was placed in the capable hands of a spotty-faced junior instructor and a bullet-proof gunnery instructor who wore crossed guns on both lapels. interesting .. photos of the old pool. 1905 - 1976 If you have a complaint about the editorial content which relates to Tangible progress to transform a former Suffolk naval training base into nearly 300 homes, a sports park, shops and a GP surgery could be seen once the coronavirus lockdown is over. This was the job of the button boy at HMS Ganges who had to shin up the last fifteen feet or so to climb on the button during ceremonial parades. Editors' Code of Practice. John Garrett. "It's very high - you get a good view though.". Report abuse. Royal Navy 238217 Ordinary Seaman HMS Niobe . This gallery has been set up as a home for images that have not so far been added to the Museums Official Website https://www.hmsgangesmuseum.com/ For spite I think, because it wasn't compulsory. The white letters would then be transformed, by our nimble fingers, into red with silk thread using the chain stitch. Once the situation eases a bit there will be tangible progress to be seen.. It began snowing on Boxing Day. A Gannett Company. My instructors were Nobby Clarke and Ted Roe. Name Hetzner Online GmbH - Contact Role. It would not be an exaggeration to say not one of us had the slightest idea of what lay in store for the next year. HMS Ganges was a training ship and later stone frigate of the Royal Navy. All thanks to my Instructor CMEM LUCKENS . It may not display this or other websites correctly. Crowned on June 2, 1953, at the age of 25, Elizabeth II went on to have the longest reign for a British queen. Rather than do the two as a pongo I signed on the dotted line for a dozen , best thing I ever did and I regret not staying in for the full time . Every letter of our names had to be perfectly in line. I had already taught myself to swim. Editors' Code of Practice. 1905. Picture: CLAGUE ARCHITECTS, Aerial artist's impression of one of the green spaces earmarked for the former HMS Ganges site in Shotley Gate. The next six years passed with regular naval detentions, ( Royal Naval Detention Quarters RNDQs Portsmouth) exhausting punishments, solitary confinements, ending with a twelve month sentence in the infamous HMP Corradino, Malta. RO1 (T) Served from 1970 - 1975 Served in HMS Ganges. 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